NEA WebChat with IAEA Director-General Rafael Mariano Grossi

Screenshot from the NEA WebChat with IAEA Director-General Rafael Mariano Grossi, 15 October 2020

The NEA is engaging with leading figures in the energy sector to explore new ways to address today's challenges. The latest in‑depth conversation was with Rafael Mariano Grossi, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and NEA Director‑General William D. Magwood, IV on 15 October 2020.

The IAEA and the NEA are collaborative organisations that work very closely together to advance global nuclear safety and technology. The heads of both organisations discussed the outlook for global nuclear power development. The conversation also covered:

  • The nexus between commercial nuclear power and nuclear proliferation
  • The role that nuclear energy could play in achieving climate goals
  • IAEA support to member state efforts in addressing the COVID-19 pandemic

Future of nuclear power

Grossi and Magwood conversed about the current status of nuclear power, as well as future outlook for global nuclear technologies, including the potential of further development and implementation of flexible nuclear production. “The need for flexibility in electricity generation and system operations will, I believe characterise future energy systems over the medium and future term,” Grossi said.

Read more on the role of flexible nuclear energy systems in a low-carbon energy future

Magwood underlined the IAEA’s active support for nuclear newcomer countries and asked Grossi about the prospects and concerns for emerging nuclear energy countries. “We see more and more countries approaching us. My impression is that we will see more than a dozen turning into nuclear energy in the next decade or so,” Grossi said. “There, what we see Bill, is promise. But also a great priority where we need to make sure that we provide these countries with the necessary guidance in terms of regulatory capacity and institutionality.”

Nuclear non-proliferation

Magwood noted that the nexus point between commercial nuclear power and nuclear proliferation is a hot topic of global debate. Grossi and Magwood both underlined the imperative need to have a very strong nuclear safeguards system and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) that, under the responsibility of the IAEA, aims to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology.

In response to the audience questions on proliferation risks stemming from new nuclear technologies, Grossi said that the IAEA actively responds to the challenges as they present themselves. “What we see is that, with new designs, with new technologies being introduced, the proliferation resistance has, in fact, been improving,” he said.

Addressing climate change

The conversation also highlighted the role that nuclear energy could play – as a clean, dispatchable and stable energy source – in achieving the decarbonisation objectives set by the Paris Agreement.

Grossi noted that the IAEA expects to have an opportunity to present the viewpoint of the nuclear sector at the 26th United Nations Climate Change Conference will take place in November 2021 in Glasgow. “We are at a place where we need to make policy and bring solutions to the people out on the street that need energy and electricity and do not want to continue destroying the planet,” he said. Grossi and Magwood agreed that nuclear energy is part of the solution together with the renewables.

The new normal

Magwood applauded the IAEA’s support to member states in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. “Working under the pandemic conditions was quite unique,” Grossi responded. “We had to mount a big logistical operation and fortunately we were able to maintain the continuity of the inspection efforts. And this continues, unfortunately, now that we are again in a difficult part of the curve.”

Magwood and Grossi both highlighted the impressive performance of regulators and nuclear operators in the face of the COVID crisis, which have adapted very quickly and efficiently to ensure the safe and reliable generation of nuclear energy around the world. “What we saw was a tremendous, I would say, resilience, predictability and dependability of the fleet and the regulators,” Grossi said. “Over the long-term we expect this accumulated experience to be put to good use.”

Read more about the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on the nuclear workforce

Read more on the role of nuclear energy during COVID‑19 and beyond

Bridging the gender gap

The dialogue underscored that gender equality and diversity are growing priorities across the nuclear sector. The IAEA and the NEA both support efforts to pursue gender parity in nuclear professions. Both Director Generals recently participated in the International Gender Champions Impact Group meeting hosted by the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission (CNSC)


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